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		<title>By: Broke Fellow with no hmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broke Fellow with no hmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to say that there is an option. When you go for your appointments it&#039;s basically assumed that you will pay with insurance. Instead ask if you can pay without using insurance. I can&#039;t say that I go to the doctor much (I&#039;m sick right now ) but I know you can pay clinics cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to say that there is an option. When you go for your appointments it&#8217;s basically assumed that you will pay with insurance. Instead ask if you can pay without using insurance. I can&#8217;t say that I go to the doctor much (I&#8217;m sick right now ) but I know you can pay clinics cash.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazy Man and Money</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazy Man and Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that doctors are ineffectual, it&#039;s the whole system that&#039;s a problem - maybe they are simply not enough doctors per person.

I also haven&#039;t seen the place where you can go pay with cash and avoid lines.  I&#039;m pretty sure I couldn&#039;t walk into Mass General or Brigham and Women&#039;s in Boston and do that.  If I did find this place, I&#039;m sure my wallet can&#039;t afford it in the same way that it can&#039;t afford a Ferrari - it&#039;ll probably cost you more than $500 for a simple strep test.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that doctors are ineffectual, it&#8217;s the whole system that&#8217;s a problem &#8211; maybe they are simply not enough doctors per person.</p>
<p>I also haven&#8217;t seen the place where you can go pay with cash and avoid lines.  I&#8217;m pretty sure I couldn&#8217;t walk into Mass General or Brigham and Women&#8217;s in Boston and do that.  If I did find this place, I&#8217;m sure my wallet can&#8217;t afford it in the same way that it can&#8217;t afford a Ferrari &#8211; it&#8217;ll probably cost you more than $500 for a simple strep test.</p>
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		<title>By: tracy ho</title>
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		<dc:creator>tracy ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to read your post , honestly i have phobia of getting medical check .

But will change attitude after your post ,

Thanks 

tracy ho
wisdomgettingloaded</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to read your post , honestly i have phobia of getting medical check .</p>
<p>But will change attitude after your post ,</p>
<p>Thanks </p>
<p>tracy ho<br />
wisdomgettingloaded</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting thing to comment on is that if people think it is &quot;bad&quot; right now with people clogging up offices with low copays, just imagine if we had a socialized medicine system (like many countries do).  There is a reason canadian doctors come here for specialized healthcare...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting thing to comment on is that if people think it is &#8220;bad&#8221; right now with people clogging up offices with low copays, just imagine if we had a socialized medicine system (like many countries do).  There is a reason canadian doctors come here for specialized healthcare&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Shaffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine Shaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is this secret medical system where you pay cash for superior care? We receive care from one of the country&#039;s best-ranked health systems (paid for by insurance), and we still have to make extra appointments for tests, etc. If I were paying cash, I would see the same doctor, and be treated exactly the same.

Maybe there are boutique doctors you can pay to come to your house and give you a foot massage while they diagnose you, but the complaints this person is making are not a sign of poor standard of care. Health insurance does pay the doctor a decent fee for the care he gives you. Just because the doctor doesn&#039;t give you what you want out of the appointment (emotional validation?) doesn&#039;t mean that he&#039;s not giving you good care. As for making extra appointments for tests, that&#039;s just SOP. General practice physicians don&#039;t keep CT scanners in their office just so they can save you time. If you are getting better before you get a chance to see  your specialist or get the tests that are ordered, consider that your doctor was being extra vigilant, and that he may actually have ordered unnecessary tests in response to your complaints. Maybe you should stay home next time, and see if you get better on your own. That would save the most time. Unfortunately, being seriously ill is never going to be fun or convenient. I have heard some horror stories about people being treated poorly by their health care providers, but this isn&#039;t one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is this secret medical system where you pay cash for superior care? We receive care from one of the country&#8217;s best-ranked health systems (paid for by insurance), and we still have to make extra appointments for tests, etc. If I were paying cash, I would see the same doctor, and be treated exactly the same.</p>
<p>Maybe there are boutique doctors you can pay to come to your house and give you a foot massage while they diagnose you, but the complaints this person is making are not a sign of poor standard of care. Health insurance does pay the doctor a decent fee for the care he gives you. Just because the doctor doesn&#8217;t give you what you want out of the appointment (emotional validation?) doesn&#8217;t mean that he&#8217;s not giving you good care. As for making extra appointments for tests, that&#8217;s just SOP. General practice physicians don&#8217;t keep CT scanners in their office just so they can save you time. If you are getting better before you get a chance to see  your specialist or get the tests that are ordered, consider that your doctor was being extra vigilant, and that he may actually have ordered unnecessary tests in response to your complaints. Maybe you should stay home next time, and see if you get better on your own. That would save the most time. Unfortunately, being seriously ill is never going to be fun or convenient. I have heard some horror stories about people being treated poorly by their health care providers, but this isn&#8217;t one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: mbhunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 04:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can change myself way more easily than I can change the medical insurance industry or a doctor.  Regardless of which organization deserves the most blame, the most effective difference will be made by me making more money and being able to buy myself out of the system.  Jumping to another doctor might help a little bit, but they&#039;re under the same constraints as the one I just left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can change myself way more easily than I can change the medical insurance industry or a doctor.  Regardless of which organization deserves the most blame, the most effective difference will be made by me making more money and being able to buy myself out of the system.  Jumping to another doctor might help a little bit, but they&#8217;re under the same constraints as the one I just left.</p>
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		<title>By: Chief Family Officer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chief Family Officer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bluntly and well-put. There is always another side to the story. We couldn&#039;t afford to pay cash for medical services(goodness, could anyone?) but we think the money for the PPO plan offered by my employer is worth the extra money over the HMO. For us, it&#039;s less of a value of time thing, and more of a value of health thing. I like being able to pick a specific doctor - it gives us the freedom to find doctors that we trust, and we&#039;ve done that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bluntly and well-put. There is always another side to the story. We couldn&#8217;t afford to pay cash for medical services(goodness, could anyone?) but we think the money for the PPO plan offered by my employer is worth the extra money over the HMO. For us, it&#8217;s less of a value of time thing, and more of a value of health thing. I like being able to pick a specific doctor &#8211; it gives us the freedom to find doctors that we trust, and we&#8217;ve done that.</p>
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		<title>By: AMMB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMMB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way harsh.  One side-ed &amp; incomplete.

A patients&#039; time *is* valuable - having to blow anywhere from 1/2 day to a whole day due to booking issues is unacceptable.  
Doctor: At the very least, during busy times/seasons have the front desk post a sign reminding patients that each person will be heard, even if that means waiting.  Also clearly post what your office can do in-house &amp; what must be lab-ed out.
Patient: If your doctor makes this waiting &amp; shuttling  habit, change the doctor &amp;/or lab if your insurance allows; if it doesn&#039;t, chose a different one next open enrollment or go to one of the newer walk in clinics or Urgent Care.  
Insurance: stop cheaping out on reimbursements.
  
Dropping in to just write a prescription w/o listening to &amp; examining the patient, while again common, is a great way to get sued for missing issues that could well have been caught &amp; cured, or effectively treated before death.  Doctor: Why risk one&#039;s professional reputation, malpractice rates &amp; conscience? Why continue to be 1/2 the reason so many drugs have lost &amp;/are losing effectiveness by taking the easy out writing prescriptions instead of communicating with the patient?  
Patient: if you can change, why are you still tolerating this? Why continue to be the other 1/2 of the aforementioned problem by not taking the time to be an informed patient (ie: one who  knows the basics flu vs. cold etc.)?

Yes, the medical system is broken in many respects, but all parties involved share the blame.  &quot;Whining&quot; is done by both doctors &amp; patients.  If the groups worked together, they might actually create improvements to the very system both have come to despise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way harsh.  One side-ed &amp; incomplete.</p>
<p>A patients&#8217; time *is* valuable &#8211; having to blow anywhere from 1/2 day to a whole day due to booking issues is unacceptable.<br />
Doctor: At the very least, during busy times/seasons have the front desk post a sign reminding patients that each person will be heard, even if that means waiting.  Also clearly post what your office can do in-house &amp; what must be lab-ed out.<br />
Patient: If your doctor makes this waiting &amp; shuttling  habit, change the doctor &amp;/or lab if your insurance allows; if it doesn&#8217;t, chose a different one next open enrollment or go to one of the newer walk in clinics or Urgent Care.<br />
Insurance: stop cheaping out on reimbursements.</p>
<p>Dropping in to just write a prescription w/o listening to &amp; examining the patient, while again common, is a great way to get sued for missing issues that could well have been caught &amp; cured, or effectively treated before death.  Doctor: Why risk one&#8217;s professional reputation, malpractice rates &amp; conscience? Why continue to be 1/2 the reason so many drugs have lost &amp;/are losing effectiveness by taking the easy out writing prescriptions instead of communicating with the patient?<br />
Patient: if you can change, why are you still tolerating this? Why continue to be the other 1/2 of the aforementioned problem by not taking the time to be an informed patient (ie: one who  knows the basics flu vs. cold etc.)?</p>
<p>Yes, the medical system is broken in many respects, but all parties involved share the blame.  &#8220;Whining&#8221; is done by both doctors &amp; patients.  If the groups worked together, they might actually create improvements to the very system both have come to despise.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron@TheWisdomJournal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron@TheWisdomJournal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see it both ways.

My time is valuable. I despise having to wait in a crowded waiting room with coughing people and runny nosed kids. Then, the doctor takes 32 seconds and writes a prescription. There is very little diagnosis going on, just a quick once over and it&#039;s done. I have to come back in six months to renew my allergy medication because he wants to get in another office visit bill.

On the other hand, we are so dependent on medical insurance that we aren&#039;t really that involved in our health care system. We have no idea what the costs are BECAUSE of insurance.

We have become insurance sheep, but no one knows what to do about it. Socialized medicine is not the answer, since no one wants to wait 6 months to get a needed operation. I&#039;m not sure what the answer is. 

The self insured thing sounds good though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see it both ways.</p>
<p>My time is valuable. I despise having to wait in a crowded waiting room with coughing people and runny nosed kids. Then, the doctor takes 32 seconds and writes a prescription. There is very little diagnosis going on, just a quick once over and it&#8217;s done. I have to come back in six months to renew my allergy medication because he wants to get in another office visit bill.</p>
<p>On the other hand, we are so dependent on medical insurance that we aren&#8217;t really that involved in our health care system. We have no idea what the costs are BECAUSE of insurance.</p>
<p>We have become insurance sheep, but no one knows what to do about it. Socialized medicine is not the answer, since no one wants to wait 6 months to get a needed operation. I&#8217;m not sure what the answer is. </p>
<p>The self insured thing sounds good though.</p>
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		<title>By: mbhunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>john:  Probably I missed my mark a little.  (Actually I&#039;m in the same boat; I can&#039;t afford to pay cash either.)  What bugged me was people actively complaining about their medical service and calling the doctors ineffectual, when those doctors are probably doing what they can, and more.  The economics usually restrain them from giving the care that they&#039;d like to give.

It&#039;s not a slam on people who can&#039;t afford better, just people who complain loudly about it and blame doctors whose hands are tied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>john:  Probably I missed my mark a little.  (Actually I&#8217;m in the same boat; I can&#8217;t afford to pay cash either.)  What bugged me was people actively complaining about their medical service and calling the doctors ineffectual, when those doctors are probably doing what they can, and more.  The economics usually restrain them from giving the care that they&#8217;d like to give.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a slam on people who can&#8217;t afford better, just people who complain loudly about it and blame doctors whose hands are tied.</p>
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