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		<title>By: Heather Mortgage Modification</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Mortgage Modification</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fabulous idea and my husband has put it into affect these past 2 months before I read this article.  It is good to know that we are doing something that other people are trying.  

She is 7 years old and she sees a printed paycheck stub that includes taxes, groceries, food, and rent.  She starts with 42 dollars every two weeks and my husband then breaks is down to 7 dollars a week for her.  She is able to see that her paycheck doesn&#039;t just come without taking money out and she needs to work for her allowance.  It is an invaluable lesson for a 7 year old.  Thanks for the updates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fabulous idea and my husband has put it into affect these past 2 months before I read this article.  It is good to know that we are doing something that other people are trying.  </p>
<p>She is 7 years old and she sees a printed paycheck stub that includes taxes, groceries, food, and rent.  She starts with 42 dollars every two weeks and my husband then breaks is down to 7 dollars a week for her.  She is able to see that her paycheck doesn&#8217;t just come without taking money out and she needs to work for her allowance.  It is an invaluable lesson for a 7 year old.  Thanks for the updates.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents made me pay rent and pay for food when I dropped out of high school. They wanted to show me how it was in the real world and that I should have stayed in school and gotten my education, so I could have gotten a better job. The job I got was working for winchels donuts. what a lame job that was.
cool article...thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents made me pay rent and pay for food when I dropped out of high school. They wanted to show me how it was in the real world and that I should have stayed in school and gotten my education, so I could have gotten a better job. The job I got was working for winchels donuts. what a lame job that was.<br />
cool article&#8230;thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne T. Meyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne T. Meyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 12:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great blog and a very interesting idea. Glad I found it! It occurs to me that there are variations on it that might be worth trying. Of course,
If the family finances are desperate, then anything but asking them to contribute is a luxury--that&#039;s where those lessons from the 1930s Depression came from, I suppose. And Depression survivors are very resourceful and give great money advice, that&#039;s for sure.
 
But if it&#039;s about the lesson, and not about needing the money to make ends meet (along the lines of the response from Carl below), here&#039;s something I&#039;ve
tried with teens:
 
Have them be in charge of grocery shopping for a month. You give them the money, a very strict amount, with a list of items they have to buy. All the junk food they are attached to they only get to purchase if they can buy everything on the list first. Of course you make that really hard. Let them go to a couple of stores and comparison shop.
 
They&#039;ll learn a lot. I notice you can teach teens a lot with making them work for two things in particular: junk food and TV :)
 
I&#039;m a college professor and a family finance journalist, and if you need more planning and lessons for the kids in this craazy, stressful economy, visit my blog, AskAnne. I&#039;ve just posted a 3-month plan, in case someone at home has been laid off, a 1-year plan, and a plan for single parents, all with lessons for the kids. The plans are designed for reducing costs and finding new income during the recession, even if you manage to keep your jobs.
 
--Anne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great blog and a very interesting idea. Glad I found it! It occurs to me that there are variations on it that might be worth trying. Of course,<br />
If the family finances are desperate, then anything but asking them to contribute is a luxury&#8211;that&#8217;s where those lessons from the 1930s Depression came from, I suppose. And Depression survivors are very resourceful and give great money advice, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
<p>But if it&#8217;s about the lesson, and not about needing the money to make ends meet (along the lines of the response from Carl below), here&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve<br />
tried with teens:</p>
<p>Have them be in charge of grocery shopping for a month. You give them the money, a very strict amount, with a list of items they have to buy. All the junk food they are attached to they only get to purchase if they can buy everything on the list first. Of course you make that really hard. Let them go to a couple of stores and comparison shop.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll learn a lot. I notice you can teach teens a lot with making them work for two things in particular: junk food and TV <img src='http://www.mightybargainhunter.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a college professor and a family finance journalist, and if you need more planning and lessons for the kids in this craazy, stressful economy, visit my blog, AskAnne. I&#8217;ve just posted a 3-month plan, in case someone at home has been laid off, a 1-year plan, and a plan for single parents, all with lessons for the kids. The plans are designed for reducing costs and finding new income during the recession, even if you manage to keep your jobs.</p>
<p>&#8211;Anne</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, 

You make some very good points! Thanks!</description>
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<p>You make some very good points! Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, this idea smacks of finding a way to supplement the household income rather than teaching your child life skills. 

There are many ways to teach your child the cost of living. For example, I was acutely aware growing up of the cost of food by helping my mother with grocery shopping. There was a budget, and I went through the weekly circulars with her and took pride in squeezing every penny we could. I also developed a basic knowledge of how much, say, bananas should cost per pound, when I went off to school, which was extremely useful. There&#039;s no reason you can&#039;t do this with other expenses too, like utilities bills. Young kids love to feel like they are helping. You could make it a challenge for your child to help reduce your energy consumption or grocery bill. Older kids have a lot of extra costs that aren&#039;t necessities, like after school sports or school trips that they can help pay for which will teach them that dollars can only go so far and they may need to pick and choose between their wants. Which do you think will be the positive lesson? &quot;I&#039;m taking $25 dollars from your money to pay for your soccer&quot; or &quot;I&#039;m taking $25 to pay for the water bill&quot;. Even if you are skimming money to put into a savings account or a CD for their college education, they will still understand that the money is still theirs.

Taking away a portion of their income to pay for general family expenses as an instructional tool seems logical to an adult, but it hasn&#039;t been that long since I was a kid, and I know that if it had been me, I would have seen it as unfair, and even punitive. Childen don&#039;t see things the way adults do, and you need to take that into consideration. You&#039;re not doing your child any good if they don&#039;t understand the lesson the way you intended.

We all knew when we had our children that there would be expenses associated. They aren&#039;t renters who signed a contract with you for food and board. They are dependent on you for the necessities of life by your choosing, not theirs. If there are sacrifices to be made in order to support the family you planned, they are yours to make, not theirs. They already have little control over their own lives. Taking a significant portion from the income that under their control to teach them a general lesson that &quot;life is expensive, get used to it&quot; doesn&#039;t give them any specific tools to use to handle money. It&#039;s like giving your child some tools and telling them to build a birdhouse, then coming back and taking away their hammer because you need to use it. 

There are two ways to teach a lesson, you can punish mistakes or you can reward successes. We use a mixture of the two as parents, but rewarding success is scientifically proven to be the strategy that results in more consistent desirable behavior. If your child feels punished or as if they are being treated unfairly, they will not learn the lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, this idea smacks of finding a way to supplement the household income rather than teaching your child life skills. </p>
<p>There are many ways to teach your child the cost of living. For example, I was acutely aware growing up of the cost of food by helping my mother with grocery shopping. There was a budget, and I went through the weekly circulars with her and took pride in squeezing every penny we could. I also developed a basic knowledge of how much, say, bananas should cost per pound, when I went off to school, which was extremely useful. There&#8217;s no reason you can&#8217;t do this with other expenses too, like utilities bills. Young kids love to feel like they are helping. You could make it a challenge for your child to help reduce your energy consumption or grocery bill. Older kids have a lot of extra costs that aren&#8217;t necessities, like after school sports or school trips that they can help pay for which will teach them that dollars can only go so far and they may need to pick and choose between their wants. Which do you think will be the positive lesson? &#8220;I&#8217;m taking $25 dollars from your money to pay for your soccer&#8221; or &#8220;I&#8217;m taking $25 to pay for the water bill&#8221;. Even if you are skimming money to put into a savings account or a CD for their college education, they will still understand that the money is still theirs.</p>
<p>Taking away a portion of their income to pay for general family expenses as an instructional tool seems logical to an adult, but it hasn&#8217;t been that long since I was a kid, and I know that if it had been me, I would have seen it as unfair, and even punitive. Childen don&#8217;t see things the way adults do, and you need to take that into consideration. You&#8217;re not doing your child any good if they don&#8217;t understand the lesson the way you intended.</p>
<p>We all knew when we had our children that there would be expenses associated. They aren&#8217;t renters who signed a contract with you for food and board. They are dependent on you for the necessities of life by your choosing, not theirs. If there are sacrifices to be made in order to support the family you planned, they are yours to make, not theirs. They already have little control over their own lives. Taking a significant portion from the income that under their control to teach them a general lesson that &#8220;life is expensive, get used to it&#8221; doesn&#8217;t give them any specific tools to use to handle money. It&#8217;s like giving your child some tools and telling them to build a birdhouse, then coming back and taking away their hammer because you need to use it. </p>
<p>There are two ways to teach a lesson, you can punish mistakes or you can reward successes. We use a mixture of the two as parents, but rewarding success is scientifically proven to be the strategy that results in more consistent desirable behavior. If your child feels punished or as if they are being treated unfairly, they will not learn the lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s really pretty awful, and a disincentive for the child to even work - paying half of your after-tax income for something parents really should be providing their children? I think it&#039;s wonderful to teach young people about money and budgeting - but seriously, charging them for food just because they are working?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s really pretty awful, and a disincentive for the child to even work &#8211; paying half of your after-tax income for something parents really should be providing their children? I think it&#8217;s wonderful to teach young people about money and budgeting &#8211; but seriously, charging them for food just because they are working?</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 05:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like this idea, but I personally think it would work best with an older teen, unless you have a really mature 12-16 yr old, that is ready and able to understand the complexity of budgeting, family finances, expenses, etc.

I completely disagree, however, with the last post. How is it that in today&#039;s society we come to think of life as being &quot;hard enough as it is&quot; in this day and age of extreme instant-gratification. I&#039;m actually shocked to see such spoiled kids everywhere - not only are their basic needs met at home (food, shelter, clothing), but their every &quot;wants and desires&quot;, as well. They now have cell phones, iPod&#039;s, Nintendo DS, Starbucks in hand, you-name-it-they&#039;ve-got-it. 

I&#039;m sorry, but I see much of our society raising spoiled children who think only of their wants and needs, and not those of others. The days of saving up for that special gift for &quot;mom, dad, grandma, etc&quot; are quickly becoming a thing of the past, IMO. Based on what I&#039;ve seen and experienced with my 5 children so far, I think this will be a positive, eye-opening &amp; enlightening experience for them. My oldest is 14 yrs old. He earns a &quot;commission/allowance&quot; for the chores that are expected of him. At this time we have taught him that 10% goes to tithe &amp; 10% goes into savings. When he is of age to hold a real paying job, I think we will sit down and discuss this idea with him. For starters, we will look at the groceries that he consumes mainly himself. Perhaps we will let him be in charge of buying his &quot;favorites&quot;  with his money, and at the same time teach and encourage him to use coupons, which he is actually starting to catch on to just by watching me, LOL!

Great discussion, gives us something important to think about, especially in today&#039;s economy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like this idea, but I personally think it would work best with an older teen, unless you have a really mature 12-16 yr old, that is ready and able to understand the complexity of budgeting, family finances, expenses, etc.</p>
<p>I completely disagree, however, with the last post. How is it that in today&#8217;s society we come to think of life as being &#8220;hard enough as it is&#8221; in this day and age of extreme instant-gratification. I&#8217;m actually shocked to see such spoiled kids everywhere &#8211; not only are their basic needs met at home (food, shelter, clothing), but their every &#8220;wants and desires&#8221;, as well. They now have cell phones, iPod&#8217;s, Nintendo DS, Starbucks in hand, you-name-it-they&#8217;ve-got-it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I see much of our society raising spoiled children who think only of their wants and needs, and not those of others. The days of saving up for that special gift for &#8220;mom, dad, grandma, etc&#8221; are quickly becoming a thing of the past, IMO. Based on what I&#8217;ve seen and experienced with my 5 children so far, I think this will be a positive, eye-opening &amp; enlightening experience for them. My oldest is 14 yrs old. He earns a &#8220;commission/allowance&#8221; for the chores that are expected of him. At this time we have taught him that 10% goes to tithe &amp; 10% goes into savings. When he is of age to hold a real paying job, I think we will sit down and discuss this idea with him. For starters, we will look at the groceries that he consumes mainly himself. Perhaps we will let him be in charge of buying his &#8220;favorites&#8221;  with his money, and at the same time teach and encourage him to use coupons, which he is actually starting to catch on to just by watching me, LOL!</p>
<p>Great discussion, gives us something important to think about, especially in today&#8217;s economy!</p>
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		<title>By: Jasi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Kelly.  It&#039;s our responsibility as parents to provide for our children.  

I just feel like kids today don&#039;t really enjoy as carefree a childhood as I did, or my parents for that matter.  I&#039;m told it&#039;s an erosion of innocence over the generations.  Kids just get &quot;older&quot; faster.  I would not wish to add money as a worry for my children, growing up is hard enough.

Also, would it not be fair to give a child who is contributing more say in the family.  For instance, if they&#039;re giving money for the food fund, wouldn&#039;t it be correct to let them chose what they eat?  No, this is a bad idea.  Kids aren&#039;t ready for these choices and this responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Kelly.  It&#8217;s our responsibility as parents to provide for our children.  </p>
<p>I just feel like kids today don&#8217;t really enjoy as carefree a childhood as I did, or my parents for that matter.  I&#8217;m told it&#8217;s an erosion of innocence over the generations.  Kids just get &#8220;older&#8221; faster.  I would not wish to add money as a worry for my children, growing up is hard enough.</p>
<p>Also, would it not be fair to give a child who is contributing more say in the family.  For instance, if they&#8217;re giving money for the food fund, wouldn&#8217;t it be correct to let them chose what they eat?  No, this is a bad idea.  Kids aren&#8217;t ready for these choices and this responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I think your idea is taking it too far.  As parents, it&#039;s our responsibility to raise children to responsible independent adulthood but it is still our responsibility to provide for them.  Parents teach children to contribute to the household in a variety of age-appropriate ways such as chores.  As kids get older, move them into money management, eventually reaching the point where parents provide money for a basic amount of clothing and the child makes the choices or supplements with his own money.  Show teenagers how much things cost, go over the family budget.  But it is still a parents&#039; responsibility to provide.

Does your approach teach children that it is OK not to provide for their own children later in life?  

By the way, here&#039;s a scenario where your idea could backfire - what if the child decides not to earn any extra income at all.  Then he has nothing to contribute, but you still provide.  Is that teaching a sense of entitlement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I think your idea is taking it too far.  As parents, it&#8217;s our responsibility to raise children to responsible independent adulthood but it is still our responsibility to provide for them.  Parents teach children to contribute to the household in a variety of age-appropriate ways such as chores.  As kids get older, move them into money management, eventually reaching the point where parents provide money for a basic amount of clothing and the child makes the choices or supplements with his own money.  Show teenagers how much things cost, go over the family budget.  But it is still a parents&#8217; responsibility to provide.</p>
<p>Does your approach teach children that it is OK not to provide for their own children later in life?  </p>
<p>By the way, here&#8217;s a scenario where your idea could backfire &#8211; what if the child decides not to earn any extra income at all.  Then he has nothing to contribute, but you still provide.  Is that teaching a sense of entitlement?</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 01:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 14-year-old daughter and I actually discused this last weekend.  (I&#039;m a divorced mom.)  She and her twin brother have the habit of eating whatever they can find, and then there is nothing left for lunches, snacks, etc., the last few days before a paycheck.  What we&#039;ve agreed to do is, they will get an addition to their allowance and will be responsible for buying their own snacks and lunches at school.  If they choose to pack, they are responsible for making sure they have a healthy lunch, or they can get the school lunch (we&#039;re on the reduced lunch program).  I believe it will help them learn to budget and shop wisely, and I am hoping it will reduce my overall food budget.  I also hope it will help reduce the amount of snacking they do.  Neither is overweight by any means, but they do need to learn to make better choices.  My job as a parent is to teach them life skills and prepare them for the adult world as best I can.  A yearly clothing allowance is next on the planning schedule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 14-year-old daughter and I actually discused this last weekend.  (I&#8217;m a divorced mom.)  She and her twin brother have the habit of eating whatever they can find, and then there is nothing left for lunches, snacks, etc., the last few days before a paycheck.  What we&#8217;ve agreed to do is, they will get an addition to their allowance and will be responsible for buying their own snacks and lunches at school.  If they choose to pack, they are responsible for making sure they have a healthy lunch, or they can get the school lunch (we&#8217;re on the reduced lunch program).  I believe it will help them learn to budget and shop wisely, and I am hoping it will reduce my overall food budget.  I also hope it will help reduce the amount of snacking they do.  Neither is overweight by any means, but they do need to learn to make better choices.  My job as a parent is to teach them life skills and prepare them for the adult world as best I can.  A yearly clothing allowance is next on the planning schedule.</p>
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